Libyen: Top-Interview mit Quadhafi´s russischem Sicherheitsberater

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„Ich werde definitiv wieder nach Libyen gehen – Kamis und meine Freunde warten auf mich!“ – Ein Interview mit einem russischen Offizier – einem der militärischen Berater Muammar al-Gaddafis. Von Alexander Grigorjew, erschienen am 05. Oktober 2011 auf, aus dem Russischen …

Libyen: Interview mit einem russischem Militär

Wir trafen uns mit dem ehemaligen Major der Spezialeinheiten Ilya Korenev. Fast sechs Monate verbrachte er neben und mit Oberst Gaddafi und seiner Familie. Er befindet er sich momentan in Lateinamerika zur Behandlung von Verletzungen, die er sich in der libyschen Wüste nahe der Grenze zu Algerien zugezogen hat.


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I will definitely be back to Libya. Khamis and our waiting

A sensational interview with a Russian officer – a military adviser to Muammar al-Gaddafi

October 5, 2011, 16:18 [„Arguments of the Week“ by Alexander Grigoriev]

I will definitely be back to Libya. Khamis and our waitingKhamis al-Gaddafi (center) with comrades

Chechnya. January 9, 1995. On the basis of federal troops Khankala flies GAZ-66 „shishiga.“ Canvas awning ripped by shrapnel. Behind the wheel unshaven major. „Shishiga“ slows near the field hospital. In the back wounded soldiers … So we met with the then Major Guard special forces Ilya Korenev. Then met a lot of time. Both Moscow and the Caucasus.

So when he called in August of Libya, the big surprise was not. Work like that. Almost six months he spent next to Colonel Qaddafi and his family. Ilya has already spent a week in Latin America in the treatment of: wound, contusion in the Libyan desert near the border with Algeria.

The trip through the „caravan“

– How did you get into Libya? But Russia does not officially provide support Gaddafi.

– The trip was discharged in the spring of this year in Algeria, a trade mission. But the main problem was to get it to Tripoli. By arrangement through the embassy, ​​for „caravan“ I went to headquarters to Muammar Gaddafi. Almost immediately we began to prepare the personnel of the 32nd Brigade reinforced, which was commanded and commands Khamis al-Gaddafi. Coaching and training for combat in urban environments. The fact that Tripoli will not be able to hold, it became clear in about June or July. Therefore began to prepare the brigade staff to conduct clashes small autonomous groups in urban areas, and outside the settlements. Have focused on commando training.

Soldiers and officers of the 32nd well prepared. Some trained in SAS, France. But Libya is highly respected Russian military school.

The tactics of fighting in small groups formed from the experience of the guerrillas in the Great Patriotic War, and – in Chechnya. Small groups – 20-30 people attacking military convoys, mine and country after committing sabotage recede to safe areas.

– You say „we“? We – this is Russia, or are you about someone else who was with you in Libya?

– Of course, there I was not alone. All I can say right now, our guys have Qaddafi is. From Russia, mostly retired officers, abbreviated from the Russian army, as well as specialists from the former Soviet republics.

– You did not answer – why you were sent to Tripoli, where the Russian authorities officially announced – Gaddafi must go?

– Who can deny a senior officer to send a subordinate in Algeria on a business trip? For example, in military-technical cooperation? And so what are the introductory word of mouth in the office, it’s not for one’s ears is not intended. My work judged by results rather than on planning and timely reports.

Professionals understand that the attack on Libya – is part of the planned actions. Next: Syria, Algeria, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Central Asia and Russia. No matter in what sequence. But Russia is likely to cost the most recent. While it is surrounded by unfriendly to her puppet regimes, radar, military bases, strongly contribute to the growth of corruption and dissent within the country.

– After this mission you remain in the service?

– I have already sent a report on the dismissal. I know that have requested a personal matter. Definitely not for reward. But the seniority and the apartment is. Families do not. And to return to Russia I’m not going. This year things have changed, I made certain decisions for themselves. Without papers, I never cease to be military.

Brest fortress in Tripoli

– You say you keep Tripoli was impossible. What went wrong in the defense?

– This error is not in defense but in the assessment of the conflict. It was that Gaddafi was living in two parallel worlds. He has not adhered to this policy, such as North Korea’s leader. He did not twitch – the oppression of his own. But Gaddafi did not believe the attack on the country until recently. Even in mid-August, when applied missile and bomb strikes on Tripoli, in other cities, he talked with Berlusconi and Sarkozy. They assured him that the ground operation in Tripoli will not be. Several years ago, Gaddafi offered to create a powerful air defense system in its entirety. This could be done through some of the former countries of the Union. But he believed that these actions will only tease the U.S. and Europe. Repeat, and Italy, and France and even Britain assured him that the ground war against Libya will not.

Error also has been a long observation of the Libyan officers bribed. It was necessary to arrest them immediately, not to spread contagion with impunity. But Gaddafi wanted to identify as many traitors. Indecision Gaddafi because of his personal views on the conflict was the way, and the factor that persuaded several high-ranking officers to take a pair of million dollars and go to the rebels. Imagine, everywhere is the rain, fall on your head stones, and you say – would cost a party will be held. Many do you convince to go for you? Especially those who will be important and the primary targets for the enemy. The human factor, even in Africa the human factor.

– How did you manage to get out unscathed from Tripoli?

– We were warned, „Al Jazeera“ and CNN. We saw footage of „victory“ insurgents captured in Qatar. It was already known about the scenery of the Green Square Tripoli in the desert near Doha. They knew what they were. These shots were the signal for the attack to rebels and subversives. Immediately after these shots all over the city „sleeper cells“ of the rebels began to establish roadblocks, breaking into the command centers and apartment officers who have not betrayed Gaddafi. The port began landing of foreign troops. One of the flanks has stopped responding. General Eshkal surrendered the position without a fight. Gaddafi ordered not to put out the fire and fire away. Do not turn into a cauldron of Tripoli, in which the „grinding“ and army units and civilians. Several hundred bombers refused to comply with this order and were fighting in the city, in an attempt to inflict maximum damage to the enemy, to divert him from pursuing leadership and command. They still continue to resist. For more than a month in Tripoli, there are areas where even the Islamists do not agree well. It’s their choice, it is their city, and I understand them.

The assault began. We left the house near the base of the Bab al-Aziz in a small house in the south of the capital. Just a few hours to several cars left the city and moved to a safe place. It turned out just in time – to hit three consecutive home GBU – bunkerbasterov, heavy bombs. The machines were common jeeps, there are no specially built for Qaddafi „Mercedes“. Why attract attention? Although I have no doubt that Americans often know where al-Gaddafi. But the rockets and bombs flew back after 5 minutes after departure. They seem to have shown him that at any moment he might be destroyed, but so far, apparently, there is a prohibition on destruction. In the Libyan conflict a lot of attention paid to information and psychological attacks.

– Family members who remained in Libya, stay together?

– No, Gaddafi family split almost immediately. This is the most effective solution. Ordinary Libyans say that if he did not return Gaddafi, then certainly one of his children. Now someone has gone to Tunisia, one in Algeria, who in Niger. But the borders are transparent. Khamis was in the suburbs of Tripoli to organize resistance. Safe in the Bani Walid. Neither the colonel nor his children are almost the same place, constantly on the move. The most difficult problem – communication. Ether is controlled by the military and technical equipment of the 6th U.S. Navy, DIA and NSA USA. So I could not risk transfer photos and video clips. It takes more time than the release of a „package“ of textual information. But Internet access is rare, NATO knows about areas in which we, and blocks any connection.

– Yes, the photos of captured British soldiers apparently did not suffice. How it all happened? How did you know that this is the army of SAS, since the documents on military operations do not take?

– Photos will be. Themselves prisoners of war and the fact that public humiliation of the enemy army – it’s arguments. War is war, and talks are always close by. The more trump cards, the easier it will dialogue. It was a subversive group about 30 people. Most of Qatar’s army, 13 English and French. They carried out further exploration in the Bani Walid. Apparently, for the main forces. But the neighborhood of the city is not well known. Local reports that the group gads about town. We were able to carry out the operation and capture them. Katartsy were executed by the Libyans. They just hate the wild. As well, they say, came to the house of a Muslim to another Muslim and killed his family? So – „iadam“ („shooting, the death penalty“) and a point. Englishmen and Frenchmen were separated, interrogated and brought to the shelter. Actually – and what they hide it? Recorded the names and personal numbers and the name of, photographed and transferred via e-mail to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Great Britain and France. They offered to give them the soldiers without any conditions, for example, anywhere in Libya.

By the way, the machine from which the information transfer was carried out, the rocket was destroyed in just a few hours when returning to the city. That is broadcast monitored very closely. When Britain gave up its soldiers, we are considering the option to remove them in Algeria. They collect a press conference to show the world. I was in a convoy with the children Moussa Ibrahim ehavshimi in Algeria to agree on a press conference. Many diplomatic difficulties in the capital would not give to hold still, it was a frontier village. On the way we shot from helicopters. I threw open the explosion of a jeep body. Tuareg fighters have picked up and helped to move abroad. From there I came here for treatment. Not that everything went according to plan, but alive.

– In Russia there is a threat from NATO and the United States?

– Of course. Open confrontation in the first stage will not be. First priority – to blow up again Caucasus with radical Islamists, immerse in the south of Russia, though local, but large-scale war. Now in power in the Maghreb come radical Muslims. Militants from the „Al Qaeda“ and other extremist groups. And between Russia and the Mediterranean distance is much smaller than it was before Afghanistan, and the smaller and lower mountains. U.S. is profitable, Europe and Russia. Abd al-Hakim, Belhadj – the military commander of Tripoli, claiming to the forefront of the new government of Libya. It’s the first person Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), a recognized terrorist organization by the U.S. State Department.

– Most applicants do not have?

– Yes. Col. Khalifa Haftar defector, who has lived 20 years in the U.S.. A former military judge at Gaddafi – Muhammad Bashir Al-Haddar. You can say for the sake of brevity – Belhadj protege of Qatar. Al-Haddar – misratskih of the oligarchs supported by France. Haftar – protege of bengaziyskih oligarchs supported by the United States.

If Belhadj enter the government, as he enters, then it will take in world capitals. „Beautiful“ – Action, which is associated with our Caucasian underground, coming to the Kremlin, the President shake hands.

Also, in addition to radical Islam in Libya is the uncontrolled plundering of arms from the Libyan army depots. And most of these weapons will go to the Caucasus in the holds of freighters. From the ports of North Africa to the shores of the Caucasus – a couple of days running. It is unfortunate that those who are called to think about the safety of our citizens who are not able to read at least the reports of NATO analysts. They clearly indicate that the illegal export of stolen weapons in Libya – one of the major challenges to global security.

– What is unique about the Libyan war? How is it different from the armed conflicts that have you been?

– Every war is unique. In Libya – is eclectic. Massive propaganda of WWII, burning areas, as in Vietnam, corruption and desertion, as in Iraq. There are also „the Belarusian partisans.“ As in all wars, killed a huge number of civilians. But the conflict is really unique. On the one hand, the Tuareg – the warriors of the desert with a rifle in 1908, and the Amazigh people with a machete. On the other, – guided aerial bombs and laser guided missiles, drones, reconnaissance. Clash of civilizations and eternity.

On the territory in which there is a conflict, perhaps it is one of the largest since World War II. But the number of interests, the mixed in this war, if not superior performance of the Second World, the exact equivalent.

Very severe sectors – is a psychological and informational. Constantly hanging over the territory of Libya U.S. aircraft special propaganda, dropped leaflets. Provocative stories, „Al Jazeera“, BBC, CNN, Reuters and others are going through the coordination of NATO information center.

Alternative version of events, special propaganda operation – „fear and Fog“ a more accurate slogan „Operation Joint protector.“

– What are the main challenges now facing the supporters of Qaddafi?

– It’s simple. Pure mathematics. At 100% of the population is always 5-10% and 5-10% of the opposition loyalists. Whatever happens in the country, no matter how the leader behaved, some will always criticize it, while others will always be loyal to him. Neither other really solve nothing. Solve the remaining 80-90% of the population whose opinions can vary in either direction. With skillful provocation of bribery and propaganda through the leading Western media balance has been broken. But the enemies too Gaddafi shook his pendulum, with the same force he was destined to swing in the opposite direction. And it will manifest itself not necessarily in the military or the political sphere. I would say: not necessarily limited to the territory of Libya. So the main task of the advocates Jamahiriya – in court – properly present evidence and arguments. The people are special. But my heart feels all right. Who is a friend who is an enemy that is good and what is bad. The problem is actually not even the military. The military is like a small addition.

On the military side, much will depend on the support of the rebel forces of NATO. In general aviation and radio. If they stop, or at least reduce the number of sorties, as promised, and stop „push“ broadcast, then knock the clowns NPC in flip-flops will not be a big problem. On the radicals will be more difficult. They trained boys from Afghanistan and Pakistan. They know how to handle weapons. And they have nowhere to run, Libya alien to them the country.

Probably, now the country will enter private military companies, who will take custody of pipelines and refineries. Already have this information from Bregy and Ras Lanufa. They tried to land troops and to gain a foothold. So far unsuccessfully. Therefore, the challenge will be at least – to blow up these facilities permanently. Protect them from missiles arriving from the desert – is impossible. In Europe, the need to understand that every barrel of oil they will be very expensive. In terms of both dollars and human lives. The guys from the PMC is also not idiots, they hall a price for their services that support them will simply not profitable. A regular troops put on the protection of silly. They have other problems.

– Who are the Libyans all the same support? Gaddafi and the new government?

– „New Power“ power, I would not hurry to call. Of course, ordinary people support those who work and give them food, and most importantly – security. In Libya there were people who criticized the action of Gaddafi, it is true. But it was a reasonable opposition, to take up arms and cut people just thought none of them was not. And it was in the minority. New so-called authorities, and the more radical can not ensure stability in Libya now. Nor can the foreseeable future. Because the majority still if not for Gaddafi, then a „time of Gaddafi.“

But in the East is traditionally solve the power and money. If the loyalists win a number of convincing wins, then people will support them. While some cities resist, but the country now and then here come daring raids kaddafistov, people waiting at a loss as to what their „liberated“ and for what. Goes on to compare what happened before and what is after. And nobody does not like the conclusions. If you will be put in the position of Sirte, Bani Walid, other hotbeds of resistance, then public opinion will be on the side of the new authorities. Because of the fear. Because no other choice left. Developments in the region in the near future will be very rapid. In the coming months vyrisuetsya direction of further developments. In the normal information support the causes of war and victory will be successful loyalists still at Gaddafi and supporters of the Jamahiriya.

– What common sense today Libyans (not soldiers Gaddafi, not rebels MSP)?

– The closest definition – they feel duped, beaten, raped, and – not free. Well, imagine that in 1991, NATO started to bomb to the Soviet Union under the pretext of humanitarian aid. And no time to end the bombing, as the country came running to the capitalists to divide the oil fields and refineries, and the radical priests began to break into the house at all … Both would say that we’ll show you how to live now. And the last would be added – not willing – be shot. People would cower in the instinct of self-preservation, survival would have even signed some papers and put up new flags, not to kill them to give rations to include water and electricity. People were waiting to return to the army, gone into the woods, waiting to return to the old days. Around and in Libya are now thinking. But since a lot of spilled blood – nothing will not return to their original positions.

– Do you speak Arabic?

– „Man aaesh Kuman arbain yauman minhum cap.“ This is an Arab proverb – „He who has lived with people for 40 days, he became a part of it.“ If he did not know would not have sent. Arab proverbs and sayings quite amusing. I’ve been recently put in another collection, when some 100 rebels in the shales of the AK and RPG bomb burst into the palace reception of foreign delegations near Sirte, the last thing they saw in his life, was a big sign on the wall – „Al-Aryan tyz fahaua bit almiz „- Iraqi officer saying -“ Where are you from bare-assed, but in the officers‘ mess. “

– Do you ever plan to return to Libya?

– A few days later will be in a neighboring country. The boundary at 90% is not controlled by insurgents. There is a link with Khamis, and with our own. They are waiting.

Khamis al-Gaddafi: We will win or die, give up or run no one is going

In a telephone conversation with his classmate on the Academy.Frunze operating officer of the Russian army Sergei Khamis al-Gaddafi gave thanks to the people of Russia, which supports the struggle of the Libyan people against the invaders.„AN“ Khamis al-Gaddafi quotes entirely, removing only the full name of the classmate.

– Thank you to all our classmates and teachers who could give me a little bit of the spirit of your people-winner, and taught to adequately assess the combat situation, gave valuable combat experience and skills. I am proud that I had such a teacher, I deserve them – time will tell.

Thanks to all those who support us, while in Russia, Ukraine and other former Soviet republics. And especially – those brave souls of your people who were with us shoulder to shoulder to defend my country against aggression. We will win or die, give up or run no one is going. To die fighting side by side with warriors – a dream for any defender of his country. In any case, to have friends in the Russian people – an honor for the Libyan, and it’s already been written on the pages of the history of Libya, Allah witness. In the words of your Russian song – „This land will be ours if we do not die in battle!“ But Libya will always be ours, even if we perish!

Much has now changed in the world. Who would have thought that all that will turn out. But do you remember – that’s what we prepared and studied. And we endure this trial with valor. No matter what the British / French / or American newspapers and TV – most of the population supports us. And we will not abandon them, will not allow looting and massacre. Maybe we made a mistake, long rastsenivaya the conflict as a conflict vnutriliviysky. So it is. But our enemies are traitors carried him outside Libya, sells to the capitalist-colonialists. I ordered through any media to inform the international community about NATO and their crimes the rebels, to spread the information after each raid on civilian targets and civilians, after each battle or massacre of ordinary Libyans and foreigners. I want to be sure that Libya is now a river flowing blood is not for nothing that the world finally will see what are the UN and the so-called civilized West.

Our blood is not cheap. None of the traitor and indifferent will not sleep until the end of my days, I swear by God and honored the Libyan army officer. Take care of yourself, your family and your country. Once again, our friendship, Sergei, an honor for me.

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